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My main issues with the current BHC system are that it is [1] too RNG based, [2] not very rewarding, [3] too time-consuming, [4] too competitive.

This suggestion is also necessary because of Celestica Flutes being added, which means there are more FP needed to get all items, which takes an unreasonable amount of time.

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[1/2] Currently, you only get ~30-60 festival points per rating [edit: 1/5th of the rating points, rounded down]. This should be increased significantly.
You currently need 57k FP to get all prizes. Rounding that to 60k, it'd take a year with 5k points a month, which is reasonable. So, you should get 5000/20 = 250 points per rating.

The number of Bugs you need to hatch should be incentivised to no more than 21 per contest (this averages as 3 eggs a day). This means users aren't too concerned about hatching as many as they can. [time-consuming; 3]

This could be implemented via a 5k cap* on the FP earned from ratings each contest. It also means that the increased points per rating won't be too game-breaking.

[These caps would only limit Festival Points, not chances at getting into the top 20]

Currently, ranking points from rating a bug ranges from ~150-350. This is already used to scale Festival Points earned, at a 5:1 ratio. Assuming an average of ~240 ranking points per bug, a 1:1 ratio would make sense. It’d take ~21 bugs to reach the cap of 5k.

This would mean BHC is more skill/effort-based, rather than RNG-based, as you're trying to hatch 3 bugs a day, rather than get lucky to be in the top 20. (This is similar to the Berry Battles; points per tonic + rank rewards)

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[4] Instead of only the top 20, top 50 might better, like the Berry Battles. Additionally, a user can only get one Pokémon into the top 50, to give more users a chance to win (so there isn't 6 out of 20 bugs from the same user).

[2] Currently ranks 11-20 only give 200 points, which... is stupid. 200 points for all that effort???

[2] Potential new rank reward system:
1-5: 5k FP
6-10: 3k FP
11-30: 2k FP
31-50: 1k FP

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* [4] I'm not sure if caps are necessary, considering you need an additional 100k FP to get both Shiny Meloettas. 5k FP a month would take 20 months. Though since they are shiny legendaries, they should take a bit longer to obtain.

The main issue without caps is that users can just powerorb-grind the contest (which is made worse by someone using scripts to cheat the minigame). So maybe powerorbs shouldn't work on BHC eggs (not Pokemon, just the eggs)

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[4] I also think Mega Cuffs (+ Bracelets) should not affect MA odds for bugs, as it's pretty unfair for other users. Similar thing for Premium 2x shiny boost. Fountain boosts would still apply.

The base MA/Shiny rates for BHC eggs could be boosted, to counteract this. Also because we rarely see shinies in the top 20, so it would be nice to see some variety.

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EDIT 07/06/2025:
[1/2/4]
Maybe there could be bonus festival point rewards for each bug over 300 rating points. Possibly 500-1000 points. This could be in addition to the current top 20 system, or instead of the proposed top 50 system. (Would be less competitive in the sense that you’re guaranteed to get something if you pass a certain threshold, rather than based of other users’ scores)

On the topic of “bonus” rewards, maybe you could get extra points for passing a certain milestone of bugs hatched during the contest (10, 25, 50, 100). It is meant to be the bug “hatching” contest, not the bug talent contest, which implies a greater focus on hatching bugs, rather than rating bugs, which isn’t the case.

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Current contest rewards, for reference on how BHC is disproportionately less rewarding [2]:

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This suggestion could be implemented in conjunction with either of these suggestions, as otherwise, increasing FP rewards significantly, in order to offset the large number of Celestica Flutes needed, may significantly affect the values of the other items + Meloettas.

Adjusted rewards:
If the first one is implemented, then you’d need 35k FP to get all prizes. Rounding to 36k, that’s 3k a month. 3000/20 is 150 points per rating.
If the second one is implemented, then you'd need 24k FP to get all prizes. That's 2k a month. 2000/20 is 100 points per rating.

Rating point:ranking point ratios :
- 2:1 ratio if the first suggestion is implemented (~120 FP per rating)
- 3:1 ratio if the second suggestion is implemented (~80 FP per rating)

If the second suggestion is implemented, then I'm not sure if a cap is still needed, as the FP amounts don't change much. *See part about powerorbs.

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TL;DR:
- Celestica Flutes significantly increased FP needed to get all items
- Increase points per rating to 240
- Caps on points from rating // powerorbs shouldn't work
- Top 50 instead of 20, user can only win once
- MA odds unfair for users without Mega Cuff

Thread has received Mod approval and is now open for discussion.

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